Prop Trading and MetaQuotes: Funding Pips Case May Mark the End of MT Access to US Clients (2024)

Prop Trading and MetaQuotes: Funding Pips Case May Mark the End of MT Access to US Clients (1)Prop Trading and MetaQuotes: Funding Pips Case May Mark the End of MT Access to US Clients (2)

MetaQuotes, the company behind the popular trading platforms MetaTrader 4 and MetaTrader 5, is cracking down on prop trading firms. In its latest move, the technology company has forced Blackbull Markets, which was grey-labeling its MT5 license to prop trading firms, forced the broker to terminate its services to Funding Pips.

Crack Down by a Technology Provider

Although MetaQuotes did not publicly confirm its move against prop trading firms, Blackbull’s Chief Business Development Officer, Anish Lal, told Finance Magnates that the broker was “forced to immediately shut down Funding Pips as a client.”

The CEO of Funding Pips, who goes by the name “Khaled” on X (formerly Twitter), confirmed that it was the push of MetaQuotes that forced Blackbull to terminate its services to the prop trading firm. He further pointed out that MetaQuotes' decision came “due to active US accounts.”

“Today, MetaQuotes decided to abruptly halt services due to active US accounts, with no prior notice,” the CEO of Funding Pips wrote. “[Blackbull Markets] didn’t terminate our partnership, but they were forced to let us go, or they would have lost their license, as you all have seen today, they got delisted from the app itself, hopefully, they come back. I got nothing but that best to talk about them."

Khaled

@Khldfx

Hello, community and friends,

From day one, we have been completely transparent with each and every one of you. We have always adhered to our promises and commitments, unlike many others, and will continue to do so.

Today, MetaQuotes decided to abruptly halt services, due to…

Feb 14, 2024

Blackbull, like a few other brokerages, took advantage of their MetaTrader license and grey-labeled them to prop trading companies. As confirmed by Lal, the broker only allowed Funding Pips to operate on its “demo servers via MT5.”

Due to the pricing structure of MetaTrader licenses, MetaQuotes does not receive fees for using its demo services; it only charges for using its live servers.

When it comes to prop trading firms, most of them only offer simulated trading on demo servers to their clients, even the ones that passed the challenges. Based on their risk assessment, the platforms then copy the trades on a live server and split the profits with the traders as payouts. Under this model, MetaQuotes does not generate any revenue as activities are on demo servers.

The two Metatrader platforms are very popular regarding leveraged forex or contracts for differences (CFDs) trading. However, MetaQuotes has been too opaque in its licensing policies. It even tightened its licensing policies for offshore brokers. However, grey labeling of its licenses allows brokers to offer the MT4 and MT5 platforms to other companies, which MetaQuotes otherwise would have denied.

“We’re unfortunately in breach of our grey label license ability to offer this for prop firms, so we’re forced to immediately shut down Funding Pips as a client and their server on our Demo environment,” Blackbull’s Lal said.

Finance Magnates reached out to MetaQuotes but received no response as of press time.

Prop Trading and MetaQuotes: Funding Pips Case May Mark the End of MT Access to US Clients (3)

Other than Blackbull Markets, Purple Trading, another broker grey-labeling its MetaTrader licenses, also terminated its services to the prop trading firms earlier this week. While Blackbull’s actions only affected one known prop trading platform, Purple Trading offered services to several prop trading firms, including Funded Engineer, AquaFunded, Goat Funded Trader, The Funded Trader, Skilled Fundended Trades, and others.

AquaFunded

@AquaFunded

Hello Traders 💙

Starting from Tomorrow we won’t be offering Purple Trading as a option at checkout anymore. Don’t worry we have been informed current traders can continue trading as normal and we will update you if anything changes.

NEW BROKER 🌊

From Monday or Tuesday Think…

Feb 11, 2024

Meanhwile some self-claimed traders on X are taking the compliance drive positively. "Though some oppose regulation, a framework in the space can be beneficial. At least could ensure integrity and maintain stability," the twitter handle 'TraderBach' wrote.

S. BACH | Risk Manager

@TraderBach

Metaquotes restricts access in the US.

While certain eval. firms exclude residents of the UK, Germany, India, the Czech Republic, and Turkey.

In these uncertain times, waiting for the storm to settle is advised.

Best of luck to traders affected, hoping for fair…

Feb 15, 2024

The US Clients Are Off Limits

The United States' regulators are very strict regarding leveraged trading services for retail traders. The offering of CFDs is banned in the country. However, prop trading firms operate beyond any regulatory scope.

Prop trading firms never take clients’ money for trading or investment: they only sell trading “challenges” for a fee, and if traders successfully pass that challenge, then they can trade with funds provided by the prop trading platform. If there are any profits, the prop trading company will split that with the trader.

Many firms target US clients because prop trading platforms are technically not regulated in the United States. According to a Finance Magnates report, about a third of these companies are registered in the US. However, the industry became cautious after the US commodities market regulator sued My Forex Funds, alleging fraud, and shuttered its operations overnight.

Angelo Ciaramello

@savedbyfx

If I were to sit here and say “we’re still online” and laugh at everyone else I’d be a delusion fool. We need these companies to figure out how to come back. This industry as we know it is under attack and we need to all rally together if we want it to survive.

Proplandia’s…

Feb 14, 2024

According to the CEO of Funding Pips, MetaQuotes' concerns revolve around onboarding US clients by prop trading. Funded Engineer, which lost the services of Purple Trading and onboarded Blueberry Markets as its partner, specified that it would not be able to offer services to US citizens and residents.

“We have already obtained a forex license as well as a MetaQuotes license, which will allow us to continue offering MT5 services to all clients except USA citizens and residents. Rest assured, we are actively working on a solution for our USA-based clients as well,” a post by the company on X noted.

“In regard to USA citizens, it's important to be transparent. MT5 services for USA citizens and residents will soon be discontinued, not only for us but for the entire prop industry, within the next 2 to 8 weeks.”

Funded Engineer

@fundedengineer

Firstly, I am pleased to inform you that everything is proceeding as planned, and we are on track to commence full services by next week.

I want to express my sincere gratitude to each one of our team for the hard work and dedication during this busy period. I also want to…

Feb 09, 2024

The MetaQuotes move indicates that the company is very cautious when it comes to offering services using its platform to US clients. The two MetaTrader apps were banned on Apple's App Store in 2022 for their alleged use by fraudsters targeting the US citizens and residents. However, both apps were restored after a few months.

"I understand the restrictions that apply to the USA, but the decision to obligate brokers to revoke licenses from prop firms suggests to me that MetaQuotes may have grown weary of them reselling their tech. They might negotiate direct licenses without third parties," DezziFinance wrote on X.

DezziFinance

@dezzifinance

I understand the restrictions that apply to the USA, but the decision to obligate brokers to revoke licenses from prop firms suggests to me that MetaQuotes may have grown weary of them reselling their tech.

They might negotiate direct licenses without third parties [I think],… https://t.co/UB7r0CjpFG

Feb 15, 2024

Although the Funding Pips’ CEO said that it has active US clients, its website now shows the US, the UAE, and Vietnam as three restricted countries.

Meanwhile, a Miami-based prop firm, Top Tier Trader, has recently extended the list of its restricted countries, adding Germany, Vietnam, India, the United Kingdom, and several others.

FundTraders

@FundTraders

Top Tier Trader, a US based eval firm puts out a unique new country restriction list feat:

Germany

UK

India pic.twitter.com/YUBZGGUgg6

Feb 14, 2024

While MetaQuotes forces brokers to stop services to prop trading platforms, its competitors are taking advantage of the situation. Earlier, Devexperts launched trading platform solution dedicated to prop trading, while several other technology firms have launched prop trading tech.

Prop Trading and MetaQuotes: Funding Pips Case May Mark the End of MT Access to US Clients (2024)

FAQs

Is funding pips regulated? ›

No, PIP Traders Funding operates outside the purview of financial regulation. We want to clarify that PIP Traders Funding is not a brokerage firm; we are a funding company. Our strategic alliance is with Eightcap, a highly reputable broker with a multi-jurisdictional regulatory presence.

What happens if you lose money prop trading? ›

Proprietary trading firms often provide evaluation accounts where you prove your trading skills. Usually, you pay a one-time fee to enter this "challenge." If you lose money during this evaluation, you won't owe anything beyond the initial fee.

Can you trade news on funding pips? ›

During our evaluation we have no restrictions regarding news trading and holding over the weekend, however on the Master account, you are allowed to hold a trade during news and over the weekend.

How does funding pips pay? ›

A trader is eligible to request a payout every 5th day after the first executed trade on the funded account. There will be an 80% profit split applied. We have a scaling plan and a Hot Seat program. Once a trader earns a Hot Seat in our firm, the trader receives on-demand payouts with a 90% profit split applied.

Does funding pips refund? ›

If you requested a refund for the evaluation challenge, the process takes up to 10 working days. If any trade is placed on the evaluation challenge, you are not eligible for a refund. Please get in touch with support via email at support@fundingpips.com, and they will process the request.

What countries are banned from funding pips? ›

On its website, Funding Pips mentions that it is based in Dubai but does not offer services in United Arab Emirates, United States and Vietnam, labeling them as "restricted countries."

Why was prop trading banned? ›

The Volcker Rule is one of the more controversial pieces of legislation to emerge from the financial crisis. Attached to the Dodd-Frank Act, the rule was intended to limit banks' ability to make speculative investments that do not benefit their customers.

What is the failure rate of prop traders? ›

According to it, 4% of traders, on average, pass prop firm challenges. But only 1% of traders kept their funded accounts for a reasonable amount of time. While this result is not nearly as bad as the one discussed earlier, it still looks bleak for prospective prop traders. But why is the percentage of failure so high?

Do prop firms really pay out? ›

Yes, prop firms do pay. While there are some scams out there popping up everyday, reputable prop trading firms like True Forex Funds, FTMO,5%ers,FundedNext are legitimate and pay traders according to their profit-sharing agreements. As for True Forex Funds, I can vouch for their credibility.

How do I withdraw money from funding pips? ›

In your dashboard on our website, you can see "Payouts" in the menu. By filling in this form you can request your payout. If you fill in this form the connected trading account will be switched to view-only mode until the payout is processed, therefore all trades have to be closed.

Who is the owner of Fundingpips? ›

Subsequently, Funding Pips' CEO, Khaled Ayesh, confirmed that the firm had completely migrated the existing servers and switched the service provider to Match-Trade Technologies, the operator of the Match-Trader platform.

Does funding pips allow scalping? ›

However, Any Trading activities that are used to take advantage of trading platform inefficiencies (Gap trading, high frequency trading, server spamming, latency arbitrage, toxic trading flow, hedging, long short arbitrage, reverse arbitrage, tick scalping, server execution, opposite account trading) are all prohibited ...

How to get 50 pips per day? ›

Essential Rules when using the 50 pips a day strategy

Wait for 7 a.m. GMT candlestick to close and immediately open buy stop order (2 pips above the high) and sell stop orders (2 pips below the low). The price will move towards high or low and activate one of the pending orders. Then, you may cancel the another order.

Which broker does funding pips use? ›

The disruption of services occurred after Funding Pips' only brokerage partner, Blackbull Markets, terminated its partnership. A Blackbull representative confirmed that MetaQuotes, forced the broker to stop providing services to Funding Pips.

How much profit is 100 pips? ›

Example: One Pip Move

So a position of 10,000 means that every time the pair moves 0.0001 (or 1 pip), we make a profit or loss of $1.00 depending on which way it moves, meaning the pips value is $1. If the position moves 100 pips, we will make a profit or loss of $100.

What prop firms are regulated? ›

OANDA, Axi, and Hantec Markets are a few names offering prop trading services and their conventional brokerage services. Interestingly, all these brokerages offer prop trading services under their offshore regulated entities.

How do I verify funding pips? ›

The verification can be done via the dashboard -> settings -> verify, there will also be a notification on top of your dashboard notifying you about the verification. The verification and approval just take a couple of minutes. After our partner approves your KYC verification, we'll draft a customer agreement for you.

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